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Bieber gets boycotted for a fictional interview

There is no better way to describe it than how Gawker‘s Jim Newell does:

A fameball contractor who’s leading an effort to boycott construction of the “Ground Zero Mosque” is also participating in a Facebook campaign to boycott Justin Bieber for supporting Park51 in a Tigerbeat interview that was actually a hoax, the end.

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The first Ground Zero Mosque

Incidentally, there was already a “mosque” at Ground Zero. But it was in the World Trade Center and so was destroyed nine years ago.

Via Digg.

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Who is and isn’t responsible

William Saletan has a pitch-perfect article in Slate about the real lessons to be drawn about the Ground Zero Mosque controversy from the Koran-burning controversy.

A pastor who preaches at a nearby Florida church is aghast at the global outrage the Quran-burning minister has provoked. “He represents only 30 people in this town,” the pastor tells the New York Times. “It needs to get out somehow to the rest of the world that this isn’t the face of Christianity.”

It will, Reverend. Right after it gets out to the rest of the world that we don’t think the 9/11 hijackers are the face of Islam.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin gets it exactly wrong. As usual.

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Cordoba’s logo has the peace sign in it…. for what it’s worth

The designer who made the Cordoba Initiative’s logo by arranging western peace signs in a Muslim-ish flower pattern sighs over the insignificance of his design in the Ground Zero Mosque controversy. For him, the Initiative’s embrace of this western symbol is evidence of their good intentions.

 Cordobas logo has the peace sign in it.... for what its worth

Oh but this is the culture war, and nothing is uncontroversial in the culture war. Back when the Peace symbol was becoming ubiquitous, conservative and Christian groups warned about the nefarious meanings encoded in it. From Time Magazine, 1970:

American Opinion magazine, published by John Birch Society Founder Robert Welch, compared the familiar peace symbol to an anti-Christian “broken cross” carried by the Moors when they invaded Spain in the 8th century. A recent national Republican newsletter noted an ominous similarity to a symbol used by the Nazis in World War II; some experts say it was a letter in an ancient Nordic alphabet. Any resemblance, however, is probably coincidental. The peace design was devised in Britain for the first Ban-the-Bomb Aldermaston march in 1958. The lines inside the circle stand for “nuclear disarmament.” They are a stylized combination of the semaphore signal for N (flags in an upsidedown V) and D (flags held vertically, one above the signaler’s head and the other at his feet).

Which sounds an awful like the present-day right wing’s conspiracy theories about Obama’s nuclear summit logo and this missile defense logo:

 Cordobas logo has the peace sign in it.... for what its worth

Says Big Government’s Frank Gaffney:

Team Obama’s anti-anti-missile initiatives are not simply acts of unilateral disarmament of the sort to be expected from an Alinsky acolyte. They seem to fit an increasingly obvious and worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam and the theo-political-legal program the latter’s authorities call Shariah.

What could be code-breaking evidence of the latter explanation is to be found in the newly-disclosed redesign of the Missile Defense Agency logo (above). As Logan helpfully shows, the new MDA shield appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo.

The evidence is conclusive.

PS I think the lesson for designers in this is that people will receive the message they’re looking for in your design long before they receive the message you actually put there.
Via The Morning News, Wikipedia.

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Dick Cavett says…

We have collectively taken a pratfall on a moral whoopee cushion.

Dick Cavett on America’s reaction to the Burlington Coat Factory Mosque.

PS — The Burlington Coat Factory would prefer you not make that joke.

Via Boing Boing & The Morning News.

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Polling on the “Ground Zero Mosque”

Tom Scocca rounds up polling about the Cordoba center, and he rounds up how different demographics feel about it. Interesting to me: a) the biggest supporters are Manhattanites (you know, the people who will actually be affected), b) a majority of people under 45 support it, and c) a majority of men support it.

Go Ahead, Build It Already

+23 NYC Borough – Manhattan (55 percent for – 32 percent against)

We Guess It’s Probably OK

+4 Political Ideology – Liberal (44 – 40)
+3 Age – Under 45 (44 – 41)
+1 Gender – Men  (43 – 42)

We’d Guess We’d Rather You Didn’t Build It

-2 Education – College graduate (42 – 44)
-7 Race – African American  (39 – 46)
-7 Religion – Protestant (38 – 45)
-8 Household Income – $50,000 or More (39 – 47)

Please Consider Not Building It

-10 Party Registration – Democrat (37 – 47)
-10 Party Registration – Non-enrolled (37 – 47)
-13 Race – Latino (32 – 45)

-16 Registered Voters (34 – 50)

Don’t Build It

-23 White Catholic status – Not White Catholic (29 – 52)
-23 NYC Borough – Queens and Staten Island (33 – 56)
-24 Political Ideology – Moderate (33 – 57)
-24 Household Income – Less than $50,000 (30 – 54)
-28 NYC Borough – Brooklyn (28 – 56)

Don’t Even Think About Building It

-30 NYC Borough – Bronx (19 – 49)
-31 Gender – Women (26 – 57)
-31 Age – 45 or older (27 – 58)
-31 Education – Not college graduate (26 – 57)
-33 Political Ideology – Conservative (24 – 57)
-35 Religion – Catholic (24 – 59)
-38 Race – White (25 – 63)

How Dare You Even Suggest Building It?

-48 Religion – Jewish (19 – 67)
-48 Party Registration – Republican (20 – 68)

Nobody Hates This Project More Than We Do

-58 White Catholic status – White Catholics (19 – 77)

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The President stands WITH SHARIA!!!

Apparently, the President supports sharia law for the whole world and wants to subjugate your daughters. Or something.

President Obama gave a lovely speech for Ramadan, expressing a very important sentiment regarding the “Ground Zero” “Mosque”.

And the reason that we will win this fight is not simply the strength of our arms – it is the strength of our values. The democracy that we uphold. The freedoms that we cherish. The laws that we apply without regard to race or religion; wealth or status. Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us – a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today.

As countless others have pointed out again and again, the President also reminds us in this speech that we aren’t fighting the religion of Islam. We’re fighting murderous extremists, who have killed more Muslims than adherents of any other religion — including innocent Muslims who died in the 9/11 attacks.

But never mind that. It doesn’t stop PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVES Frank Gaffney and Andy McCarthy from telling us that this event means that President Obama supports sharia — I guess there were a couple people invited to the Ramadan event that either made some remarks or are associated with some group that Gaffney and McCarthy don’t like.

And you know what? Gaffney and McCarthy might even have a point, but I can’t take their word for it because I know from experience that they’re just as likely to be hyping nothing into something as expressing a legitimate concern. McCarthy, for one, is a lead intellectual in the theory that Obama (along with liberals!) is out to undermine America. He writes books about it. Here is part of Wonkette’s review of his latest, The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America:

A few things covered and vigorously condemned in this book: Barack Obama, Barack Obama’s bow to the king of Saudi Arabia (because the proper way to host Saudis is to hold their hands while showing them around your ranch), Barack Obama’s colonial subject bow to Queen Elizabeth II, Barack Obama’s father (who instilled Communism in his estranged son), something called “the Left,” Muslims, Saul Alinksy and his legions of followers, Karl Marx and his daily walks to the British Museum, and eighteenth-century French philosophers.

I’ll admit that I haven’t read any of his books and that I don’t plan to. My guideline is that if it takes a book to make an insane claim not be insane, the claim will probably still be insane at the end of the book. But the reader might be confused!

Anyway, more evidence of Andy McCarthy’s even-handedness and fealty to truth and understanding is the post following “The President Stands with Sharia”. This one’s called “9/11 Families Stunned by President’s Support of Mosque at Ground Zero“, and it shows conclusively that the families of 9/11 victims all hate Barack Obama and the Ground Zero Mosque. Just kidding, “9/11 Families” is the name of a right-wing group led by Debra Burlingame — who, it should be said, is indeed the sister of someone who died on 9/11. But, looking at her website, it’s not clear to me how many other 9/11 family members are part of her organization. Certainly, she doesn’t speak for another group, “September 11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows” who have announced their support for the Cordoba Center. Perhaps Andy McCarthy should have pointed out this difference of opinion in his post.

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Good solutions and bad solutions to our little mosque problem

Fantastic, here is the worst of all solutions to a non-impasse:

New York Gov. David Paterson (D) is offering state help to the developers of the proposed “Ground Zero Mosque” if they agree to move it further from the Trade Center complex.

Thank you, oh proponents of limited government. You have compelled the state to assist in the building of a mosque just so you can keep sacred a place that you will go to maybe once or twice in your lives.


While Paterson proposes a solution that will please absolutely nobody, Greg Gutfield gives us a winner suggestion that interests Andrew Sullivan of the Atlantic and Stephanie Gutmann of the National Review.

He wants to open a gay bar next to the Cordoba House. Which is to say, he gets it. Concerned that our tolerance only goes one way, he’s demanding it go both ways — while Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich demand we stop being tolerant.

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